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	<description>A blog about Ubuntu, Wine, and the occasional other interest</description>
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		<title>By: Devin</title>
		<link>http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/127/comment-page-1#comment-1456</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about tux as a wine steward holding a tray with wine glasses and a bottle with the windows logo as its label 

or glasses of wine being used to hold up a tray on which are bottles whose labels are the icons of the various popular windows programs? quake, quicken etc...

&quot;Wine on linux/bsd/Solaris/MacOSX serves windows applications to you&quot;</description>
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<p>or glasses of wine being used to hold up a tray on which are bottles whose labels are the icons of the various popular windows programs? quake, quicken etc&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Wine on linux/bsd/Solaris/MacOSX serves windows applications to you&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DaVince</title>
		<link>http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/127/comment-page-1#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>DaVince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about specifying the two most popular OSes instead - like &quot;Linux and Mac OSX, amongst other OSes&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about specifying the two most popular OSes instead &#8211; like &#8220;Linux and Mac OSX, amongst other OSes&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: YokoZar</title>
		<link>http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/127/comment-page-1#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>YokoZar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jared: I think of Codeweavers as a group of people, rather than an organization.  Since it can go either way I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a bad thing to humanize them in the text a bit ;)

You&#039;re right that a user who sees their own platform instead of &quot;other operating systems&quot; will gain some confidence, however we run into problems if we try to specify them all. We end up using a whole lot of words, many of them technical.  And if the list isn&#039;t exhaustive, then we risk someone incorrectly concluding it doesn&#039;t work and not going any further.  The way it is now we sort of invite them to the download page (although we probably should link it.

I agree with you about the slight awkwardness of &lt;i&gt;Not every program works yet, however there are already&lt;/i&gt; -- I think I might change this to &lt;i&gt;Although not every program works yet, there are already...&lt;/i&gt; to eliminate the contrast issue altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jared: I think of Codeweavers as a group of people, rather than an organization.  Since it can go either way I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a bad thing to humanize them in the text a bit <img src='http://yokozar.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that a user who sees their own platform instead of &#8220;other operating systems&#8221; will gain some confidence, however we run into problems if we try to specify them all. We end up using a whole lot of words, many of them technical.  And if the list isn&#8217;t exhaustive, then we risk someone incorrectly concluding it doesn&#8217;t work and not going any further.  The way it is now we sort of invite them to the download page (although we probably should link it.</p>
<p>I agree with you about the slight awkwardness of <i>Not every program works yet, however there are already</i> &#8212; I think I might change this to <i>Although not every program works yet, there are already&#8230;</i> to eliminate the contrast issue altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kegel</title>
		<link>http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/127/comment-page-1#comment-904</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the new, short text.  Well done!</description>
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		<title>By: KasperH</title>
		<link>http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/127/comment-page-1#comment-894</link>
		<dc:creator>KasperH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question of whether it&#039;s &quot;Codeweavers sell&quot; or &quot;Codeweavers sells&quot; is an interesting one. It&#039;s been a while since school made me have to study English grammar, but if I recall correctly the first form is the correct British English usage. Another example of that would be &quot;Arsenal are going to win the title this year,&quot; and I&#039;m almost certain that anyone from USA would say &quot;Arsenal&#039;s going to...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of whether it&#8217;s &#8220;Codeweavers sell&#8221; or &#8220;Codeweavers sells&#8221; is an interesting one. It&#8217;s been a while since school made me have to study English grammar, but if I recall correctly the first form is the correct British English usage. Another example of that would be &#8220;Arsenal are going to win the title this year,&#8221; and I&#8217;m almost certain that anyone from USA would say &#8220;Arsenal&#8217;s going to&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ajmctaggart</title>
		<link>http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/127/comment-page-1#comment-879</link>
		<dc:creator>ajmctaggart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, 

I for one love the idea of taking the &quot;Developer,&quot; out of the &quot;About,&quot; pages.  It seems like a Linux noob that hears about this Wine-thingie would be all but fearing for their life after trying to get through the technical jargon.  

(by the way, if you want help, just let me know, I love documentation)

As far as a picture, might I suggest a slogan/picture combination?  See when I think of Wine, I think of a glass of wine.  Many people may think of the barrel, the process, or the grapes; me, I&#039;m thinking about getting off work and pouring a glass for myself.  So, maybe a picture of a FULL glass of wine (not the half glass currently used), that reads, &quot;Wine, now serving a full glass in Linux.&quot; or &quot;Wine, fixing the &quot;glass half full,&quot; in Linux.  Something like that?

Good read, nice to know someone else cares about readability!

-Aj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, </p>
<p>I for one love the idea of taking the &#8220;Developer,&#8221; out of the &#8220;About,&#8221; pages.  It seems like a Linux noob that hears about this Wine-thingie would be all but fearing for their life after trying to get through the technical jargon.  </p>
<p>(by the way, if you want help, just let me know, I love documentation)</p>
<p>As far as a picture, might I suggest a slogan/picture combination?  See when I think of Wine, I think of a glass of wine.  Many people may think of the barrel, the process, or the grapes; me, I&#8217;m thinking about getting off work and pouring a glass for myself.  So, maybe a picture of a FULL glass of wine (not the half glass currently used), that reads, &#8220;Wine, now serving a full glass in Linux.&#8221; or &#8220;Wine, fixing the &#8220;glass half full,&#8221; in Linux.  Something like that?</p>
<p>Good read, nice to know someone else cares about readability!</p>
<p>-Aj</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Spurbeck</title>
		<link>http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/127/comment-page-1#comment-874</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Spurbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome!

For a pic, you could try a screenshot of something impressive (like Half-Life 2 or Portal) running on a Mac or Linux box?

Also, a few minor suggestions:

&lt;em&gt;Not every program works yet, however there are already&lt;/em&gt;

This just doesn&#039;t read right for some reason. I think that &quot;however&quot; isn&#039;t a drag-and-drop replacement for &quot;but.&quot; I suggest changing it to &quot;but&quot; or changing the passage to read &quot;yet; however, there are&quot;. That punctuation is more cumbersome, but it seems to read better.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;especially Codeweavers who sell a&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Would you say &quot;Codeweavers sell&quot; or &quot;Codeweavers sells?&quot; I think it&#039;s the latter since we&#039;re talking about an organization, as opposed to a group of people called &quot;code weavers.&quot; Sort of like how you might say that the company called Wizards of the Coast &quot;sells&quot; or &quot;makes&quot; D&amp;D.

Finally, burying the AppDB link in a statement about how &quot;Wine is heavily reliant on its user community&quot; doesn&#039;t seem like the best idea, because the idea of &quot;Check here to see if your app works&quot; isn&#039;t part of the subset of ideas &quot;Check here to see what the community&#039;s done.&quot; Or it technically is, but that&#039;s not the way that an outside viewer would see it, since it&#039;s more important to her -- as soon as she hears what Wine is -- to see if she can use it for her programs.

Assuming she knows that Wine&#039;s for the platform she uses ... &quot;other operating systems&quot; is kind of vague! Not specifying technical things may be good to avoid being off-putting, but the hypothetical person who&#039;d even be here to begin with is ... okay, probably someone who had been pointed there. But still, confirming that it&#039;d work with her platform of choice might help.

Sorry to be nitpicky like this; I hope that this comes across as the &quot;Jump in and help wherever you can&quot; thing I heard that people are supposed to do with Free / Open-Source projects. ^.^; It&#039;s also sort of a &quot;Now that you mention it ... &quot; kinda thing. Either way, I&#039;m glad &lt;em&gt;someone&lt;/em&gt; is taking on the task of making WineHQ more readable, and I think you are doing a great job with it. Kudos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome!</p>
<p>For a pic, you could try a screenshot of something impressive (like Half-Life 2 or Portal) running on a Mac or Linux box?</p>
<p>Also, a few minor suggestions:</p>
<p><em>Not every program works yet, however there are already</em></p>
<p>This just doesn&#8217;t read right for some reason. I think that &#8220;however&#8221; isn&#8217;t a drag-and-drop replacement for &#8220;but.&#8221; I suggest changing it to &#8220;but&#8221; or changing the passage to read &#8220;yet; however, there are&#8221;. That punctuation is more cumbersome, but it seems to read better.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;especially Codeweavers who sell a&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Would you say &#8220;Codeweavers sell&#8221; or &#8220;Codeweavers sells?&#8221; I think it&#8217;s the latter since we&#8217;re talking about an organization, as opposed to a group of people called &#8220;code weavers.&#8221; Sort of like how you might say that the company called Wizards of the Coast &#8220;sells&#8221; or &#8220;makes&#8221; D&amp;D.</p>
<p>Finally, burying the AppDB link in a statement about how &#8220;Wine is heavily reliant on its user community&#8221; doesn&#8217;t seem like the best idea, because the idea of &#8220;Check here to see if your app works&#8221; isn&#8217;t part of the subset of ideas &#8220;Check here to see what the community&#8217;s done.&#8221; Or it technically is, but that&#8217;s not the way that an outside viewer would see it, since it&#8217;s more important to her &#8212; as soon as she hears what Wine is &#8212; to see if she can use it for her programs.</p>
<p>Assuming she knows that Wine&#8217;s for the platform she uses &#8230; &#8220;other operating systems&#8221; is kind of vague! Not specifying technical things may be good to avoid being off-putting, but the hypothetical person who&#8217;d even be here to begin with is &#8230; okay, probably someone who had been pointed there. But still, confirming that it&#8217;d work with her platform of choice might help.</p>
<p>Sorry to be nitpicky like this; I hope that this comes across as the &#8220;Jump in and help wherever you can&#8221; thing I heard that people are supposed to do with Free / Open-Source projects. ^.^; It&#8217;s also sort of a &#8220;Now that you mention it &#8230; &#8221; kinda thing. Either way, I&#8217;m glad <em>someone</em> is taking on the task of making WineHQ more readable, and I think you are doing a great job with it. Kudos!</p>
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		<title>By: Marius Gedminas</title>
		<link>http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/127/comment-page-1#comment-872</link>
		<dc:creator>Marius Gedminas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posts like this are why I read Planets.  You state the problem clearly and concisely (I love the &quot;words&quot; icon!), and then show the solution you&#039;ve already implemented.  Awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posts like this are why I read Planets.  You state the problem clearly and concisely (I love the &#8220;words&#8221; icon!), and then show the solution you&#8217;ve already implemented.  Awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Frey</title>
		<link>http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/127/comment-page-1#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Frey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done!

One nit: the link for &#039;free software&#039; is self-referential...</description>
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<p>One nit: the link for &#8216;free software&#8217; is self-referential&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: YokoZar</title>
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		<dc:creator>YokoZar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan I actually had the same idea for a screenshot, but I&#039;ve got a few worries:
- The applications-&gt;Wine menu is going to change in Karmic (some of the functionality will move to other menus)
- I have to pick a group of applications to install and show
- The Wine icon itself is also changing.

Maybe this doesn&#039;t matter, as in a few months karmic will be out and it&#039;ll be consistent anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan I actually had the same idea for a screenshot, but I&#8217;ve got a few worries:<br />
- The applications->Wine menu is going to change in Karmic (some of the functionality will move to other menus)<br />
- I have to pick a group of applications to install and show<br />
- The Wine icon itself is also changing.</p>
<p>Maybe this doesn&#8217;t matter, as in a few months karmic will be out and it&#8217;ll be consistent anyway.</p>
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