Comments on: The future of Wine sound http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178 A blog about Ubuntu, Wine, and the occasional other interest Sun, 01 Aug 2010 04:49:30 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Sawn http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178/comment-page-1#comment-6878 Sawn Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:25:43 +0000 http://yokozar.org/blog/?p=178#comment-6878 great article about '<a href="http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178" rel="nofollow">The future of Wine sound</a>',. Thanks great article about ‘The future of Wine sound‘,. Thanks

]]> By: YokoZar http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178/comment-page-1#comment-4781 YokoZar Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:26:09 +0000 http://yokozar.org/blog/?p=178#comment-4781 Endre, if you read my comment at the bug report I explain how not including the winepulse driver was a conscious decision on my part as a result of testing. This is part of my responsibility as a packager. Listening to upstream is another part, and the consensus among the Wine developers is "no, don't." At any rate, it wasn't ready in time for Karmic, and I've been reevaluating it again in the Lucid cycle. For now, though, I'm waiting on Maarten Lankhorst's OpenAL patches, which as I understand are very near ready for inclusion. Endre, if you read my comment at the bug report I explain how not including the winepulse driver was a conscious decision on my part as a result of testing. This is part of my responsibility as a packager. Listening to upstream is another part, and the consensus among the Wine developers is “no, don’t.”

At any rate, it wasn’t ready in time for Karmic, and I’ve been reevaluating it again in the Lucid cycle. For now, though, I’m waiting on Maarten Lankhorst’s OpenAL patches, which as I understand are very near ready for inclusion.

]]> By: Per http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178/comment-page-1#comment-4780 Per Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:39:42 +0000 http://yokozar.org/blog/?p=178#comment-4780 The only way I've got sound to work almost flawlessly in Wine is to use OSS. It runs pretty well, and sounds really good. I run Steam-games like Source-games and Fallout 3, I run Spotify etc. Unfortunately OSS aren't very well supported in various Linux-apps, for example; one needs to reactivate ALSA to run most sound editing apps. And if one does that, the sound in Wine is back to buggy again. It's a catch 22. And it's tiresome to switch back and forth between various sound architectures. Pulseaudio ain't worth mentioning, it's buggy as hell. To me, sound is still a major showstopper for a total Linux switch. It should be the highest priority to unite around ONE sound architecture that everyone has to use, app makers and distros alike, fragmentation is evil. The only way I’ve got sound to work almost flawlessly in Wine is to use OSS. It runs pretty well, and sounds really good. I run Steam-games like Source-games and Fallout 3, I run Spotify etc. Unfortunately OSS aren’t very well supported in various Linux-apps, for example; one needs to reactivate ALSA to run most sound editing apps. And if one does that, the sound in Wine is back to buggy again. It’s a catch 22. And it’s tiresome to switch back and forth between various sound architectures. Pulseaudio ain’t worth mentioning, it’s buggy as hell. To me, sound is still a major showstopper for a total Linux switch. It should be the highest priority to unite around ONE sound architecture that everyone has to use, app makers and distros alike, fragmentation is evil.

]]> By: Endre Stølsvik http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178/comment-page-1#comment-4726 Endre Stølsvik Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:57:01 +0000 http://yokozar.org/blog/?p=178#comment-4726 I agree TOTALLY with @unproductive_wine_devs above. There *is* a patch that fixes all problems, at least for Ubuntu as it stands. But it is not applied. So a "short term gain" of about, well, OVER ONE YEAR, is not enough to make the Wine devs happy - no, lets start all over again instead - on a completely uncertain time schedule. How arrogant. How stupid. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/371897 I agree TOTALLY with @unproductive_wine_devs above. There *is* a patch that fixes all problems, at least for Ubuntu as it stands. But it is not applied.

So a “short term gain” of about, well, OVER ONE YEAR, is not enough to make the Wine devs happy – no, lets start all over again instead – on a completely uncertain time schedule.

How arrogant. How stupid.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/371897

]]> By: DrHalan http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178/comment-page-1#comment-4642 DrHalan Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:43:49 +0000 http://yokozar.org/blog/?p=178#comment-4642 @Nexon: I want to know that too! Is there a git branch or somethign to checkout the development of OpenAL In wine? @Nexon: I want to know that too!

Is there a git branch or somethign to checkout the development of OpenAL In wine?

]]> By: Bill Gates http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178/comment-page-1#comment-4521 Bill Gates Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:23:49 +0000 http://yokozar.org/blog/?p=178#comment-4521 I'm with Nexon - when can we expect to see a version of Wine with integrated OpenAL? I’m with Nexon – when can we expect to see a version of Wine with integrated OpenAL?

]]> By: Psy[H[] http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178/comment-page-1#comment-4464 Psy[H[] Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:08:35 +0000 http://yokozar.org/blog/?p=178#comment-4464 I hope they would not waste resources for something like pulseaudio. Current pulseaudio craze will pass when insanity of the concept becomes obvious. A big and heavy additional layer, far outside the kernel, that would mix all the sound in low latency, even under high cpu load, and output it through existing soundsystem (alsa)? Nonsense. Its latency is so big that it is even noticeable with naked ear. For some apps it just garbles sound. Run doom in dosbox, or zynaddsubfx and hear for yourself. That is what happens when someone adds additional layer of mess to cover existing mess. Why not to improve alsa? why stack the new problem over it and send sound through both? I hope they would not waste resources for something like pulseaudio.
Current pulseaudio craze will pass when insanity of the concept becomes obvious. A big and heavy additional layer, far outside the kernel, that would mix all the sound in low latency, even under high cpu load, and output it through existing soundsystem (alsa)? Nonsense. Its latency is so big that it is even noticeable with naked ear. For some apps it just garbles sound. Run doom in dosbox, or zynaddsubfx and hear for yourself.
That is what happens when someone adds additional layer of mess to cover existing mess.
Why not to improve alsa? why stack the new problem over it and send sound through both?

]]> By: Nexon http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178/comment-page-1#comment-4451 Nexon Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:18:18 +0000 http://yokozar.org/blog/?p=178#comment-4451 Is there something like a "Roadmap" for the OpenAL-Integration? Is there something like a “Roadmap” for the OpenAL-Integration?

]]> By: thomy44 http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178/comment-page-1#comment-4343 thomy44 Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:51:12 +0000 http://yokozar.org/blog/?p=178#comment-4343 I think in the same way like Stoffe, Linux with a perfect wine for win32 games would be THE KILLERapp!!! Especially the young Gamer generation is curious... It would be the same like Mozillas Firefox.... its killing the fucking IE ! Because it absolutely compatible. And lets see, Open Office will kill microsofts office! So, thanks for working at the wine sound! I think in the same way like Stoffe,

Linux with a perfect wine for win32 games would be THE KILLERapp!!!
Especially the young Gamer generation is curious…

It would be the same like Mozillas Firefox…. its killing the fucking IE ! Because it absolutely compatible. And lets see, Open Office will kill microsofts office!

So, thanks for working at the wine sound!

]]> By: unproductive_wine_devs http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/178/comment-page-1#comment-4334 unproductive_wine_devs Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:21:05 +0000 http://yokozar.org/blog/?p=178#comment-4334 to me it seemed like: - I want to make a pulseaudio driver to put into wine and are really motivated to do it!! devs - no. (insert idiotic reason here) way to kill motivation... if he wouldn't maintain it you simply remove the driver again saying it's because of resource problems. I guarantee you would get someone motivated to maintain it within a week of publishing that. Now, instead of *fixing* the problem you are basically saying: - let other people deal with it. or am i wrong and everything would get fixed if you made an openal driver? if so please tell me because this certainly seems inane. PS: the pulseaudio guy seem to have proven himself already if "R" is right. to me it seemed like:
- I want to make a pulseaudio driver to put into wine and are really motivated to do it!!
devs – no. (insert idiotic reason here)

way to kill motivation… if he wouldn’t maintain it you simply remove the driver again saying it’s because of resource problems. I guarantee you would get someone motivated to maintain it within a week of publishing that. Now, instead of *fixing* the problem you are basically saying:
- let other people deal with it.
or am i wrong and everything would get fixed if you made an openal driver? if so please tell me because this certainly seems inane.

PS: the pulseaudio guy seem to have proven himself already if “R” is right.

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